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		<title>By: Warren D Smith</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-5325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren D Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 23:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, I was reading http://arxiv.org/pdf/1009.3956v3.pdf  and have some comments.

One of your key identities EQ2.1
   2^w(n)= sum(d^2&#124;n)of  mobius(d) * tau(n/d^2)
can be generalized. Let m be any integer with m&gt;=0.
   2^(m*w(n)) = 
      m-fold-sum( d1^2&#124;n, d2^2&#124;n, ..., dm^2&#124;n )of  
             mobius(d1)*mobius(d2)*...*mobius(dm) * tau(n/d1^2) * tau(n/d2^2) *...* tau(n/dm^2).
PROOF SKETCH:
It is easy to see this identity is valid in the following easy cases:
(i) m=0 when it is just 1=1, we agree 0-fold-sum is 1.
(ii) m=1 when it is your old identity.
(iii) n=squarefree when only summand comes from d1=d2=...=dm=1.
(iv) n=p^k=prime power when all dj=1 or p:
If k=0 we get n=1 and 2^(m*w(1))=2^0=1=1.
If k=1 we get 2^m=2^m.
If k&gt;=2 we get 2^m=([k+1]-[k-1])^m=2^m.
Now use coprime-multiplicativity to see the easy cases imply validity for all cases.
QED.

This would enable you to count primes in [a,b] not mod 2, but in fact mod 2^m,
for any desired m&gt;=0.  If m&gt;log2(b-a+1) this would count the primes, full stop.

Can this be made efficient?  I have not tried to figure that out.
Warren D Smith, warren.wds AT gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I was reading <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1009.3956v3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1009.3956v3.pdf</a>  and have some comments.</p>
<p>One of your key identities EQ2.1<br />
   2^w(n)= sum(d^2|n)of  mobius(d) * tau(n/d^2)<br />
can be generalized. Let m be any integer with m&gt;=0.<br />
   2^(m*w(n)) =<br />
      m-fold-sum( d1^2|n, d2^2|n, &#8230;, dm^2|n )of<br />
             mobius(d1)*mobius(d2)*&#8230;*mobius(dm) * tau(n/d1^2) * tau(n/d2^2) *&#8230;* tau(n/dm^2).<br />
PROOF SKETCH:<br />
It is easy to see this identity is valid in the following easy cases:<br />
(i) m=0 when it is just 1=1, we agree 0-fold-sum is 1.<br />
(ii) m=1 when it is your old identity.<br />
(iii) n=squarefree when only summand comes from d1=d2=&#8230;=dm=1.<br />
(iv) n=p^k=prime power when all dj=1 or p:<br />
If k=0 we get n=1 and 2^(m*w(1))=2^0=1=1.<br />
If k=1 we get 2^m=2^m.<br />
If k&gt;=2 we get 2^m=([k+1]-[k-1])^m=2^m.<br />
Now use coprime-multiplicativity to see the easy cases imply validity for all cases.<br />
QED.</p>
<p>This would enable you to count primes in [a,b] not mod 2, but in fact mod 2^m,<br />
for any desired m&gt;=0.  If m&gt;log2(b-a+1) this would count the primes, full stop.</p>
<p>Can this be made efficient?  I have not tried to figure that out.<br />
Warren D Smith, warren.wds AT gmail.com</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-4528</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello.  Is this wonderfully number theoretic thread (and the original problem) still open?  Just wondering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  Is this wonderfully number theoretic thread (and the original problem) still open?  Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Girish Varma</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Girish Varma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to the answer to a slightly different but simple question:

Is there an algorithm which on input $latex n$, finds a prime larger than $latex n$, with running time bounded by a polynomial in $latex \log n$?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to the answer to a slightly different but simple question:</p>
<p>Is there an algorithm which on input <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='n' title='n' class='latex' />, finds a prime larger than <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='n' title='n' class='latex' />, with running time bounded by a polynomial in <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Clog+n&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;log n' title='&#92;log n' class='latex' />?</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper is now on the arXiv at

http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.3956

and submitted to Mathematics of Computation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper is now on the arXiv at</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.3956" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.3956</a></p>
<p>and submitted to Mathematics of Computation.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ernie!  I&#039;ll submit it now to the arXiv and to Math. Comp.  Always a good feeling when a project has reached completion...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ernie!  I&#8217;ll submit it now to the arXiv and to Math. Comp.  Always a good feeling when a project has reached completion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie Croot</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernie Croot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the long delay in writing about the last draft... I think it is pretty much ready to go; however, I found a few more small typos and things:

1.  Page 7, there are two of&#039;s.

2.  Page 7, ``coefficients O(x)&#039;&#039; --&gt; ``coefficients of size O(x)&#039;&#039;.

3.  page 7, ``If we restrict to the range... the second term&#039;&#039;, I think should be ``third term&#039;&#039;.  And ``third term&#039;&#039; should be ``fourth term&#039;&#039;.

4.  Page 8, ``It suffices to show... in time&#039;&#039; --&gt; ``... that we can compute in time.&#039;&#039;

5.  Pag 10, near the bottom:  You write that $latex n_0 \geq x^{1/2-c}$, but all we have is $latex n \geq x^{1/2-c}$; however, since $latex n = n_0 + \ell q + r$, where $latex ell,q,r$ are all ``small&#039;&#039;, this isn&#039;t much of an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the long delay in writing about the last draft&#8230; I think it is pretty much ready to go; however, I found a few more small typos and things:</p>
<p>1.  Page 7, there are two of&#8217;s.</p>
<p>2.  Page 7, &#8220;coefficients O(x)&#8221; &#8211;&gt; &#8220;coefficients of size O(x)&#8221;.</p>
<p>3.  page 7, &#8220;If we restrict to the range&#8230; the second term&#8221;, I think should be &#8220;third term&#8221;.  And &#8220;third term&#8221; should be &#8220;fourth term&#8221;.</p>
<p>4.  Page 8, &#8220;It suffices to show&#8230; in time&#8221; &#8211;&gt; &#8220;&#8230; that we can compute in time.&#8221;</p>
<p>5.  Pag 10, near the bottom:  You write that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n_0+%5Cgeq+x%5E%7B1%2F2-c%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='n_0 &#92;geq x^{1/2-c}' title='n_0 &#92;geq x^{1/2-c}' class='latex' />, but all we have is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n+%5Cgeq+x%5E%7B1%2F2-c%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='n &#92;geq x^{1/2-c}' title='n &#92;geq x^{1/2-c}' class='latex' />; however, since <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n+%3D+n_0+%2B+%5Cell+q+%2B+r&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='n = n_0 + &#92;ell q + r' title='n = n_0 + &#92;ell q + r' class='latex' />, where <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=ell%2Cq%2Cr&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='ell,q,r' title='ell,q,r' class='latex' /> are all &#8220;small&#8221;, this isn&#8217;t much of an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK.  I was not sure exactly how to cite the BM paper in the proof of Lemma 3.1, so if you have some suggested wording, I can splice it in.  Enjoy India; I didn&#039;t go to the ICM this time around, but I did very much enjoy my last trip to that country...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I was not sure exactly how to cite the BM paper in the proof of Lemma 3.1, so if you have some suggested wording, I can splice it in.  Enjoy India; I didn&#8217;t go to the ICM this time around, but I did very much enjoy my last trip to that country&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie Croot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernie Croot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Dear Ernie, sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I’ve been unusually distracted in the last two weeks.]

I totally understand, especially given the ICM conference and all.

[I am unsure about the wording, so please check.]

The wording looks fine to me; and I&#039;m sure David and David would appreciate seeing that they are mentioned (and perhaps when they go to apply for grad school... etc.).  It&#039;s looking like we might be able to prove a fast algorithm for $latex \sum_{a &lt; p &lt; b} t^{f(p)}$, as hoped; I&#039;ll know for sure in another two weeks or so (after I return from India, and get to meet with them again).

...

I see that you list the Borodin and Moenk paper, but didn&#039;t see that you replaced the use of matrices in the proof of Lemma 3.1 with a reference to it.  Now that I think about it, I think I like including the matrix argument instead of just doing a citation.  The fact is that everyone is familiar with Strassen&#039;s matrix algorithm, while few people know the argument in B-M; and so, the present argument in Lemma 3.1 is more self-contained (given the Strassen matrix alg.), and would be but one or two lines shorter anyways, if we just used the result in B-M (instead of matrices).

...

I would like to look over the paper again carefully before we submit it; but that will be a week or two from now, as I will be leaving for India tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Dear Ernie, sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I’ve been unusually distracted in the last two weeks.]</p>
<p>I totally understand, especially given the ICM conference and all.</p>
<p>[I am unsure about the wording, so please check.]</p>
<p>The wording looks fine to me; and I&#8217;m sure David and David would appreciate seeing that they are mentioned (and perhaps when they go to apply for grad school&#8230; etc.).  It&#8217;s looking like we might be able to prove a fast algorithm for <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Csum_%7Ba+%3C+p+%3C+b%7D+t%5E%7Bf%28p%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=000000&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;sum_{a &lt; p &lt; b} t^{f(p)}' title='&#92;sum_{a &lt; p &lt; b} t^{f(p)}' class='latex' />, as hoped; I&#039;ll know for sure in another two weeks or so (after I return from India, and get to meet with them again).</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I see that you list the Borodin and Moenk paper, but didn&#039;t see that you replaced the use of matrices in the proof of Lemma 3.1 with a reference to it.  Now that I think about it, I think I like including the matrix argument instead of just doing a citation.  The fact is that everyone is familiar with Strassen&#039;s matrix algorithm, while few people know the argument in B-M; and so, the present argument in Lemma 3.1 is more self-contained (given the Strassen matrix alg.), and would be but one or two lines shorter anyways, if we just used the result in B-M (instead of matrices).</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I would like to look over the paper again carefully before we submit it; but that will be a week or two from now, as I will be leaving for India tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Zomega</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zomega]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that now. My apologies for making such a gigantic error. I&#039;ll check my work more carefully in the future.
-Zomega]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that now. My apologies for making such a gigantic error. I&#8217;ll check my work more carefully in the future.<br />
-Zomega</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://polymathprojects.org/2010/06/29/draft-version-of-polymath4-paper/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Zomega,

Thanks for your edit.  Unfortunately, there is more to a natural number n being squarefree than simply not being a square; one must also show that n is not &lt;i&gt;divisible&lt;/i&gt; by any square larger than 1, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-free_integer .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Zomega,</p>
<p>Thanks for your edit.  Unfortunately, there is more to a natural number n being squarefree than simply not being a square; one must also show that n is not <i>divisible</i> by any square larger than 1, see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-free_integer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-free_integer</a> .</p>
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